Andy_Bogomil | 815 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, Dr. Morbis said: I was thinking in the opposite direction for Romance of the Three Kingdoms II, though I wasn't going to bother saying anything about it, but after seeing your tirade, I'll mention it here. What the hell is that game doing this far up the backwaters of the SNES rankings?!? No way is ROTK II not in the top 50 SNES games; it's easily the best strategy-sim game on the console. But, what it comes down to, is if the guy doing the ranking isn't into a particular genre of games, then that genre ain't gonna git no luvin' ...sad but true... Haha that game and a lot of those dessert storm/mech games would be way down my list because of my negative bias towards that genre. Anything that plays slow is typically not my thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Bogomil | 815 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Mixed feeling on KI as well. So true that the game was always just... Around. I never liked it as much as street fighter or MK but the combo system, music, and announcer where awesome and the game had a cool, industrial vibe to it. Even though it was a pretty big title and promoted to hell i am not surprised to see it miss the top 100. Where's Earthworm Jim at?... Hopefully that pops up sooner than later. Polished turd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed Rothchild | 9,509 Editorials Team · Posted March 9, 2021 Author Share Posted March 9, 2021 Also, there's multiple Koei games in the top 100, and multiple strategy games in the top 50. So, I resemble that "not into the genre" poke Inside the top 200 is pretty good too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fox | 1,665 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 "I don't know how many Samurai Showdown games there are" "I don't know the names of the enemies in Power Rangers" "I don't know how Alladin on genesis plays" "I don't know if Breakout and Arkanoid are part of the same series" "I don't know if Hook and Skyblazer are related" Like do a bit of research or send me a pm Nice reviews, looks like you are finally into the pretty good section of the snes library, right before the truly great stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaryice | 581 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 2 hours ago, Reed Rothchild said: Also, there's multiple Koei games in the top 100, and multiple strategy games in the top 50. So, I resemble that "not into the genre" poke Inside the top 200 is pretty good too Can you post the list of 150 games you haven't ranked yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel_Doyce | 470 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 3 hours ago, Dr. Morbis said: I was thinking in the opposite direction for Romance of the Three Kingdoms II, though I wasn't going to bother saying anything about it, but after seeing your tirade, I'll mention it here. What the hell is that game doing this far up the backwaters of the SNES rankings?!? No way is ROTK II not in the top 50 SNES games; it's easily the best strategy-sim game on the console. But, what it comes down to, is if the guy doing the ranking isn't into a particular genre of games, then that genre ain't gonna git no luvin' ...sad but true... Hells yeah! I think Reed's trolling and he'll end up revising to put at least 4 Koei games in the top 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed Rothchild | 9,509 Editorials Team · Posted March 9, 2021 Author Share Posted March 9, 2021 1 hour ago, fox said: "I don't know how many Samurai Showdown games there are" "I don't know the names of the enemies in Power Rangers" "I don't know how Alladin on genesis plays" "I don't know if Breakout and Arkanoid are part of the same series" "I don't know if Hook and Skyblazer are related" Like do a bit of research or send me a pm Nice reviews, looks like you are finally into the pretty good section of the snes library, right before the truly great stuff Hey, I made it a point to not have this read like a series of Wikipedia entries. So I specifically don't look that stuff up. It's all from my brain, so there's minimal outside interference or bias. I've even avoided looking at my two SNES coffee tables books for that reason. Or at least that's my story and I'm sticking with it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed Rothchild | 9,509 Editorials Team · Posted March 9, 2021 Author Share Posted March 9, 2021 Is Skyblazer related? We may never know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagusSmurf | 577 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 11 hours ago, scaryice said: Can you post the list of 150 games you haven't ranked yet? Spoiler Super Mario World † •Super Mario World: Super Mario Bros. 4JP F-Zero † SimCity Final Fight † Final Fantasy II •Final Fantasy IVJP Super Ghouls 'n Ghosts † •Chō MakaimuraJP Super Castlevania IV •Akumajou DraculaJP Contra III: The Alien Wars † •Super Probotector: Alien RebelsEU •Contra SpiritsJP The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past † •The Legend of Zelda: Triforce of the GodsJP The Legend of the Mystical Ninja •Ganbare Goemon: Yukihime Kyuushutsu EmakiJP Street Fighter II: The World Warrior † Soul Blazer •Soul BladerJP Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles IV: Turtles in Time † •Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles IV: Turtles in TimeEU •Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Turtles in TimeJP Super Mario Kart † Tiny Toon Adventures: Buster Busts Loose! † Star Fox •StarwingEU Goof Troop •Goofy to Max: Kaizoku Shima no DaiboukenJP Super Mario All-Stars † •Super Mario CollectionJP Street Fighter II Turbo: Hyper Fighting Final Fight 2 Super Bomberman •Sūpā BonbāmanJP Sunset Riders Secret of Mana •Seiken Densetsu 2JP ActRaiser 2 •ActRaiser 2: Chinmoku e no SeisenJP Skyblazer •KaruraouJP Mega Man X † •Rockman XJP Super Metroid Final Fight Guy Super Street Fighter II: The New Challengers † Illusion of Gaia •Illusion of TimeEU •Gaia GensōkiJP Super Bomberman 2 •Sūpā Bonbāman TsūJP Super Punch-Out!! Final Fantasy III •Final Fantasy VIJP Aero Fighters •Sonic WingsJP Demon's Crest •Demon's Blazon Makaimura Monshō-henJP Donkey Kong Country † •Super Donkey KongJP Mega Man X2 •Rockman X2JP Bust-a-Move •Puzzle BobbleEU EarthBound •Mother 2JP Ninja Gaiden Trilogy •Ninja Ryuukenden TomoeJP Chrono Trigger Mega Man 7 •Rockman 7: Shukumei no Taiketsu!JP Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island † •Super Mario: Yoshi IslandJP Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest † •Super Donkey Kong 2: Dixie & DiddyJP Mega Man X3 † •Rockman X3JP Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars † Tetris Attack •Panel de PonJP Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals •LufiaEU •Estpolis Denki IIJP Kirby Super Star •Kirby's Fun PakEU •Hoshi no Kirby Super DeluxeJP Donkey Kong Country 3: Dixie Kong's Double Trouble! † •Super Donkey Kong 3: Nazo no Krems ShimaJP Kirby's Dream Land 3 •Hoshi no Kirby 3JP Pilotwings Gradius III U.N. Squadron † •Area 88JP Super Earth Defense Force Spanky's Quest •Hansei Zaru: Jirou-kun no DaiboukenJP Magic Sword Axelay † Super Buster Bros. † •Super PangEU Space Megaforce •Super AlesteEU Out of This World •Another WorldEU •Outer WorldJP Firepower 2000 •Super SWIVEU Gemfire •Super Royal BloodJP Uncharted Waters •Daikoukai JidaiJP Cybernator •Assault Suits ValkenJP Brawl Brothers † •Brawl Brothers: Rival Turf! 2EU •Rushing Beat Ran: Fukusei ToshiJP The Lost Vikings •Viking no DaimeiwakuJP Super Turrican Shadowrun Batman Returns Pocky & Rocky •KiKi KaiKai: Nazo no Kuro MantleJP Run Saber Battletoads in Battlemaniacs E.V.O.: Search for Eden •46 Okunen Monogatari: Harukanaru Eden eJP Zombies Ate My Neighbors •ZombiesEU Battletoads & Double Dragon Super Nova •Darius ForceJP Choplifter III Flashback: The Quest for Identity •FlashbackEU Ninja Warriors •Ninja Warriors: The New GenerationEU •The Ninja Warriors AgainJP The King of Dragons Knights of the Round Saturday Night Slam Masters •Muscle BomberJP Blackthorne •BlackhawkEU R-Type III: The Third Lightning •Āru Taipu Surī: Za Sādo RaitoninguJP Sparkster Brain Lord Uncharted Waters: New Horizons •Super Daikoukai JidaiJP Earthworm Jim Super Bonk •Super B.C. KidEU •Chō GenjinJP X-Men: Mutant Apocalypse Pocky & Rocky 2 •KiKi KaiKai: TsukiyozoushiJP Dragon View •Super DrakkhenJP Tetris & Dr. Mario † The Adventures of Batman & Robin Uniracers •UnirallyEU Kirby's Dream Course •Kirby BowlJP Brandish Metal Warriors Ogre Battle: The March of the Black Queen •Densetsu no Ogre BattleJP Hagane: The Final Conflict Wild Guns Castlevania: Dracula X •Castlevania: Vampire's KissEU •Akumajō Dracula XXJP Secret of Evermore Super Turrican 2 Earthworm Jim 2 Final Fight 3 The Lost Vikings 2 Harvest Moon •Bokujou MonogatariJP Super Smash TV Battle Clash •Space BazookaJP Rock n' Roll Racing Total Carnage Metal Combat: Falcon's Revenge Equinox •Solstice IIJP The Jetsons: Invasion of the Planet Pirates •Yōkai Buster: Ruka no DaibōkenJP Tin Star Zero the Kamikaze Squirrel Biker Mice from Mars True Lies Rise of the Phoenix •KouryuukiJP Civilization Mighty Morphin Power Rangers: The Fighting Edition Nosferatu Urban Strike Street Fighter Alpha 2 •Street Fighter Zero 2JP Top Gear •Top RacerJP Rampart On the Ball •CameltryJP Cacoma Knight in Bizyland •Cacoma KnightJP Super Baseball 2020 NHL '94 •NHL Pro Hockey '94JP Tecmo Super Bowl Metal Marines •MilitiaJP Ardy Lightfoot •Arudi RaitofuttoJP Ken Griffey Jr. Presents Major League Baseball Wizardry V: Heart of the Maelstrom F1 ROC II: Race of Champions •Exhaust Heat II: F-1 Driver no KisekiJP NBA Live 95 Tiny Toon Adventures: Wacky Sports Challenge •Tiny Toon Adventures: Wild & Wacky SportsEU •Tiny Toon Adventures: Dotabata DaiundoukaiJP Street Racer Pieces •Jigsaw PartyJP Might and Magic III: Isles of Terra Tecmo Super Bowl II: Special Edition Top Gear 3000 •The Planet's Champ TG3000JP NBA Live 96 Tecmo Super Bowl III: Final Edition The Brainies NBA Live 97 NBA Live 98 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niner | 9 Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 19 hours ago, Reed Rothchild said: Hey, I made it a point to not have this read like a series of Wikipedia entries. So I specifically don't look that stuff up. It's all from my brain, so there's minimal outside interference or bias. I've even avoided looking at my two SNES coffee tables books for that reason. Or at least that's my story and I'm sticking with it. I appreciate the authentic voice that you use in your reviews. Keep it up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kguillemette | 1,543 Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 This was another really fun read! Really great job! I have learned so much about the SNES from your list. Absolutely incredible! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splain | 2,560 Editorials Team · Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 This is gold. I could name the top 15-20 SNES games that everyone knows about and already likes, but the rest of the SNES library is a brick wall to me. There are a few games in this installment that I definitely want to check out, and I never would have known about them. Can't wait for the home stretch. Quick, everybody rank every game in the whole library for your favorite console! How do you not have a Super Scope? Are you avoiding it on purpose? I'm pretty sure I've asked you that before, but from then until now, you STILL don't have one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed Rothchild | 9,509 Editorials Team · Posted March 10, 2021 Author Share Posted March 10, 2021 57 minutes ago, Splain said: How do you not have a Super Scope? Are you avoiding it on purpose? I'm pretty sure I've asked you that before, but from then until now, you STILL don't have one! I don't know how to answer that. I guess it never occurred to me that I could have one Kinda like when Super Mario Odyssey came out and I suddenly realized that I could own a Switch if I felt like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaryice | 581 Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 Thanks Magus, here it is alphabetized and cleaned up a bit: Spoiler ActRaiser Adventures of Batman & Robin Aero Fighters Ardy Lightfoot Axelay Batman Returns Battle Clash Battletoads & Double Dragon Battletoads in Battlemaniacs Biker Mice from Mars Blackthorne Brain Lord Brainies Brandish Brawl Brothers Bust-a-Move Cacoma Knight in Bizyland Castlevania: Dracula X Choplifter III Chrono Trigger Civilization Contra III: The Alien Wars Cybernator Demon's Crest Donkey Kong Country Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest Donkey Kong Country 3: Dixie Kong's Double Trouble! Dragon View E.V.O.: Search for Eden EarthBound Earthworm Jim Earthworm Jim 2 Equinox F1 ROC II: Race of Champions Final Fantasy II Final Fantasy III Final Fight Final Fight 2 Final Fight 3 Final Fight Guy Firepower 2000 Flashback: The Quest for Identity F-Zero Gemfire Goof Troop Gradius III Hagane: The Final Conflict Harvest Moon Illusion of Gaia Jetsons: Invasion of the Planet Pirates Ken Griffey Jr. Presents Major League Baseball King of Dragons Kirby Super Star Kirby's Dream Course Kirby's Dream Land 3 Knights of the Round Legend of the Mystical Ninja Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past Lost Vikings Lost Vikings 2 Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals Magic Sword Mega Man 7 Mega Man X Mega Man X2 Mega Man X3 Metal Combat: Falcon's Revenge Metal Marines Metal Warriors Might and Magic III: Isles of Terra Mighty Morphin Power Rangers: The Fighting Edition NBA Live 95 NBA Live 96 NBA Live 97 NBA Live 98 NHL '94 Ninja Gaiden Trilogy Ninja Warriors Nosferatu Ogre Battle: The March of the Black Queen On the Ball Out of This World Pieces Pilotwings Pocky & Rocky Pocky & Rocky 2 Rampart Rise of the Phoenix Rock n' Roll Racing R-Type III: The Third Lightning Run Saber Saturday Night Slam Masters Secret of Evermore Secret of Mana Shadowrun SimCity Skyblazer Soul Blazer Space Megaforce Spanky's Quest Sparkster Star Fox Street Fighter Alpha 2 Street Fighter II Turbo: Hyper Fighting Street Fighter II: The World Warrior Street Racer Sunset Riders Super Baseball 2020 Super Bomberman Super Bomberman 2 Super Bonk Super Buster Bros. Super Castlevania IV Super Earth Defense Force Super Ghouls 'n Ghosts Super Mario All-Stars Super Mario Kart Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars Super Mario World Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island Super Metroid Super Nova Super Punch-Out!! Super Smash TV Super Street Fighter II: The New Challengers Super Turrican Super Turrican 2 Tecmo Super Bowl Tecmo Super Bowl II: Special Edition Tecmo Super Bowl III: Final Edition Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles IV: Turtles in Time Tetris & Dr. Mario Tetris Attack Tin Star Tiny Toon Adventures: Buster Busts Loose! Tiny Toon Adventures: Wacky Sports Challenge Top Gear Top Gear 3000 Total Carnage True Lies U.N. Squadron Uncharted Waters Uncharted Waters: New Horizons Uniracers Urban Strike Wild Guns Wizardry V: Heart of the Maelstrom X-Men: Mutant Apocalypse Zero the Kamikaze Squirrel Zombies Ate My Neighbors 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed Rothchild | 9,509 Editorials Team · Posted March 10, 2021 Author Share Posted March 10, 2021 I wasn't gonna respond, hoping to keep an air of mystery to it. But that's 99% correct. I'm flip flopping terribly on Brawl Brothers, and that may get demoted to the 200-151 ranks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanooki | 4,929 Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 Currently chipping away through the page with the ROT3K titles clumped together and see there's another. I like what I'm reading, got me thinking of a few things. You noted Lemmings 2 was better but maybe not, down to stage design tastes, but one thing I noticed missing, it was one of the games that quietly uses the SNES mouse to play which makes it very very much more approachable. I only remembered it due to your "cheat" doing the Yoshi shooter with one on an emulator. I don't know if you re-edit any of these ever, but I think it would be wise to point out the use of that as it really does help games out a lot when it is a choice. I know it was mentioned on Civilization on SNES which is a great version of the game. I totally agree with you on a couple others that get dinged or overlooked. Mechwarrior, no one should ever argue it's not Jungle Strike with big robots, because it is, and you're just as easily killed trying to go nuts in it which you could get away with in Mechwarrior 2. And Wolfenstein3D, I can not agree more. I really wish I hadn't let that one go a few years back, but I mean I do have a kit. If you put the utter annoyance of overkill censorship there, it actually makes the game standout because of that. It is and it is not its own game. Stages are all more or less there, a few tweaks, giant mutant rats, and the other stuff. It's actually very fun, as long as you don't let the big swipes with the eraser bug you. Plays smoothly too, controls as nicely as the original PC game using like a gravis gameport pad from the early 90s as I used to go between that and a keyboard. People talk about mouse, but mouse blew in that, and in Doom, really wasn't good until looking around kicked in. I'll end on this as I could do more...I've always found that Romance series and the genre interesting, but one I can not for the life of me ever figure out. I'm not sure what doesn't click, but I can't make sense of half of it and just drags out to an inevitable loss which stinks as I like the subject matter there, as with even more so Nobunaga, and also that one off of the US revolutionary war with Liberty or Death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaryice | 581 Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 12 hours ago, Reed Rothchild said: I wasn't gonna respond, hoping to keep an air of mystery to it. But that's 99% correct. I'm flip flopping terribly on Brawl Brothers, and that may get demoted to the 200-151 ranks I'm just glad I didn't have to spend a half-hour brute forcing it, because I was totally going to. One thing that's always interesting to me in lists like these are inferior ports. Should they be punished for being something that few people want to play in modern times? The Street Fighter II games are a perfect example. There's no reason to play the SNES games nowadays when the arcade versions are far superior. Granted, they're still great video games. They were great at the time, and they're also great compared to other SNES fighters. I guess it just depends on how you look at a ranking like this. If this were a smaller list of the top 50 or 100 games on the system, it would probably be easy to leave them off. But since you're ranking everything, it doesn't seem like a list of recommendations the way a "best games" list would be. I'm also curious to see how you'll rank a compilation like Super Mario All-Stars. Again, it's something that could be lower for non-gaming reasons. But you don't seem like you would do that, so I'm somewhat expecting you to put it in the top ten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed Rothchild | 9,509 Editorials Team · Posted March 10, 2021 Author Share Posted March 10, 2021 @scaryice ...Or Ninja Gaiden Trilogy or Tetris Dr. mario... It's actually something I've been thinking about quite a bit lately. Regardless of what I do, someone is gonna screech THESE NINJA GAIDEN GAMES ARE WORSE THAN THE NES VERSIONS "Okay, but I'm only judging against the rest of the SNES library..." Doesn't matter how many times I call that out either. People are stubborn like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed Rothchild | 9,509 Editorials Team · Posted March 10, 2021 Author Share Posted March 10, 2021 ...or I do something totally... uh, "outside the box" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanooki | 4,929 Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 Eh I prefer Ninja Gaiden Trilogy. Makes it easier given the way I get disruption and lack of time around here having the passwords. Also the famicom style restored difficulty of the third game is sweet too. Sure visually they are lacking a bit more detail and color one would demand of a NES to SNES conversion, but I just don't care enough to knock it. I used to have years ago Tetris & Dr Mario. I never got into them. Despite the nicer audio and visuals, it didn't add anything of value I cared about. NGT at least accomplished that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALTQQ | 87 Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 Great as always. Happy to see some love for super tennis, I played that game so much back when I was 20. Spike mc fang and fire striker were good games too, I sold my fire striker years ago but I still have that spike mc fang. Cool spot and Aladdin were ones I played a lot as a kid, though mostly on the genesis because my friend owned them. I picked them up myself years later for SNES. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guests · Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Shit, thanks for the updates. I'll have to read them when I get the time. I binged your last few and they were really enjoyable reads. Well done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroMichel | 106 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 I absolutely love reading these. I discovered various games as I am not that familiar with the Super Nintendo library. Of the games I've played, I completely agree with you (especially on the Mortal Kombat games). I'll definitely recommend your list to anyone discovering the SNES library. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed Rothchild | 9,509 Editorials Team · Posted May 7, 2021 Author Share Posted May 7, 2021 On 5/5/2021 at 11:29 AM, RetroMichel said: I absolutely love reading these. I discovered various games as I am not that familiar with the Super Nintendo library. Of the games I've played, I completely agree with you (especially on the Mortal Kombat games). I'll definitely recommend your list to anyone discovering the SNES library. Thank you very much. And a quick update: #150-101 are finalized. All of the games are also beaten/retired and I have 30/50 mostly written up. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWunderful | 2,926 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Everytime I go back and browse this list, it costs me 500$ in SNES games. Looking at you, firestriker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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