CodysGameRoom | 2,008 Posted May 7, 2021 Author Share Posted May 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, arch_8ngel said: Disagree - a meatball sub is a valid type of sub, which sets the precedent that "form factor" (i.e. a bun longer than it is wide) is generally what defines a sandwich as a "sub". Nah, it's not a sub, it's just a Meatball Sandwich, officially. Review here, listed 100% differently from sub (as is a philly.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sandwiches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khromak | 768 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 30 minutes ago, CodysGameRoom said: Majority does not rule. If you put 100 people in a room, and 90 of them think the earth is flat, that doesn't make them right. I mean there's a difference between scientific facts and lexicon. As someone else said in this thread earlier, language and what we call things are just societal norms. If we decided tomorrow that a squeemozot was a pizza with pepperoni on it, fine. Groups of people who speak a common language can do that. It's not a fundamental law of physics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodysGameRoom | 2,008 Posted May 7, 2021 Author Share Posted May 7, 2021 Just now, spacepup said: I'd wager that a company specializing in subs, probably has a pretty valid opinion on the subject. Explain to me why Charlie's Grilled Subs changed their name to Charlie's Philly Steaks when they stopped selling sub sandwiches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat-Doug | 5,104 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, CodysGameRoom said: Yes, we did establish Penn Station East Coast Subs as the first example I've seen (and only one). Jersey Mike's also calls it a "hot sub". They also taste amazing. https://www.jerseymikes.com/menu/hot-subs/17-mikes-famous-philly Edited May 7, 2021 by Bearcat-Doug 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacepup | 2,404 Administrator · Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloves | 11,776 Administrator · Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Just now, CodysGameRoom said: Explain to me why Charlie's Grilled Subs changed their name to Charlie's Philly Steaks when they stopped selling sub sandwiches? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naked Warrior | 288 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Khromak said: I mean there's a difference between scientific facts and lexicon. As someone else said in this thread earlier, language and what we call things are just societal norms. If we decided tomorrow that a squeemozot was a pizza with pepperoni on it, fine. Groups of people who speak a common language can do that. It's not a fundamental law of physics. Damn, man...squeemozot sounds good tonight... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodysGameRoom | 2,008 Posted May 7, 2021 Author Share Posted May 7, 2021 Just now, Khromak said: I mean there's a difference between scientific facts and lexicon. As someone else said in this thread earlier, language and what we call things are just societal norms. If we decided tomorrow that a squeemozot was a pizza with pepperoni on it, fine. Groups of people who speak a common language can do that. It's not a fundamental law of physics. Ok, I won't disagree. However, these changes in nomenclature, as pointed out by the other lad earlier, are usually documented. So far, one example on a regional restaurant menu. Certainly no change in lexicon. No edit to the dictionary. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arch_8ngel | 1,597 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 1 minute ago, CodysGameRoom said: Nah, it's not a sub, it's just a Meatball Sandwich, officially. Review here, listed 100% differently from sub (as is a philly.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sandwiches I would dispute the notion that anyone can "officially" declare the concept of a "meatball sandwich" as a thing distinct from a hot sub that comprised of meatballs and sauce There isn't some "official" organization that decides what type of sandwich things are. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacepup | 2,404 Administrator · Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodysGameRoom | 2,008 Posted May 7, 2021 Author Share Posted May 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Bearcat-Doug said: Jersey Mike's also calls it a "hot sub". They also taste amazing. https://www.jerseymikes.com/menu/hot-subs/17-mikes-famous-philly 1 minute ago, spacepup said: ok, THIS is what I'm talking about! Finally, more examples. This is what I was asking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khromak | 768 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, CodysGameRoom said: Nah, it's not a sub, it's just a Meatball Sandwich, officially. Review here, listed 100% differently from sub (as is a philly.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sandwiches Your own link says "Hero, hoagie, or submarine sandwich" and then under philly it says: "Thinly sliced steak and melted cheese in a hoagie roll, with additional toppings often including peppers, onions, and mushrooms, also known as a Philadelphia or Philly cheesesteak." Uh/ So hoagie = submarine. This thing is on a hoagie. What is it? Spoiler It's a submarine sandwich 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arch_8ngel | 1,597 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, CodysGameRoom said: Explain to me why Charlie's Grilled Subs changed their name to Charlie's Philly Steaks when they stopped selling sub sandwiches? Marketing. Philly Steaks are a specific subset of sub sandwiches. If they only sell that type of sandwich (because that was presumably their biggest seller) -- then why create any market confusion by making it sound like they might sell other types of subs? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacepup | 2,404 Administrator · Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 C'mon man - it's not "JUST" penn station and you know it. Plus I shared a packaged product as well. Just from like 20 secs of searching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat-Doug | 5,104 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, spacepup said: I'd wager that a company specializing in subs, probably has a pretty valid opinion on the subject. I had one for lunch today and it was on a sub roll. That's also pretty definitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naked Warrior | 288 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bearcat-Doug said: Jersey Mike's also calls it a "hot sub". They also taste amazing. https://www.jerseymikes.com/menu/hot-subs/17-mikes-famous-philly As a quasi-Philadelphian, I don't trust anything coming out of New Jersey... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodysGameRoom | 2,008 Posted May 7, 2021 Author Share Posted May 7, 2021 Just now, Khromak said: Your own link says "Hero, hoagie, or submarine sandwich" and then under philly it says: "Thinly sliced steak and melted cheese in a hoagie roll, with additional toppings often including peppers, onions, and mushrooms, also known as a Philadelphia or Philly cheesesteak." Uh/ So hoagie = submarine. This thing is on a hoagie. What is it? Hide contents It's a submarine sandwich Then why is it listed separately? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloves | 11,776 Administrator · Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Doesn't appending "sub" to "Philly Cheesesteak" imply that it is not inherently a sub? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodysGameRoom | 2,008 Posted May 7, 2021 Author Share Posted May 7, 2021 Just now, spacepup said: C'mon man - it's not "JUST" penn station and you know it. Plus I shared a packaged product as well. Just from like 20 secs of searching. Please read above, I just acknowledged your examples and that this is exactly the type of proof I was asking for. What's the issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacepup | 2,404 Administrator · Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 No issue, relax hahaha I didn't see that when I shared it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khromak | 768 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 1 minute ago, CodysGameRoom said: Then why is it listed separately? Ok BLT is listed separately, is it not a sandwich? Balogna sandwich is listed separately, is it not a sandwich? What?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arch_8ngel | 1,597 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, CodysGameRoom said: Then why is it listed separately? Because your link lists specific sandwich types as well as "generic" broad categories of sandwich (like subs). They aren't properly categorized -- they are just listed in parallel to each other. EDIT: just to be clear -- I don't think anyone is attempting the argument that a philly cheeseteak isn't a "specific" type of sandwich. The argument is that a sub-sandwich is a BROAD category of sandwich that contains philly cheesesteaks as a subtype. Edited May 7, 2021 by arch_8ngel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat-Doug | 5,104 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Gloves said: Doesn't appending "sub" to "Philly Cheesesteak" imply that it is not inherently a sub? Maybe it's to reinforce it for those who are unsure? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat-Doug | 5,104 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, Naked Warrior said: As a quasi-Philadelphian, I don't trust anything coming out of New Jersey... They have franchises in Cincinnati, so they can't be that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arch_8ngel | 1,597 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Just now, Bearcat-Doug said: They have franchises in Cincinnati, so they can't be that bad. No offense, but I feel like we covered that ground a couple years back debating what constituted "chili" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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