Gulag Joe | 582 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 7 minutes ago, inasuma said: i mean, for better or worse, at least wata has a clear and active pipeline to market lol also wata's label, while i hated it at first, has actually grown on me. meanwhile igs has... whatever the hell that label is It's all the same thing. One has an arguably better website. Other than that, it's just a person deciding what they think of your item. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gulag Joe | 582 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 IGS even has a pop report 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inasuma | 1,203 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 11 minutes ago, Gulag Joe said: IGS even has a pop report this is the saddest thing i've ever read. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sp1nz | 611 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 Hark thee, investors! Legitimate excitement! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Startyde | 175 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 Teaming with IGS just made Goldin Auctions a joke for game and collectables. It wreaks of desperation to get a piece of the pie and having no idea what you're doing. Look at the submittal form...it advises you to send your items to some dude's house. Theyve blocked many people online for asking any questions about this. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retro.magnus | 136 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Startyde said: Teaming with IGS just made Goldin Auctions a joke for game and collectables. It wreaks of desperation to get a piece of the pie and having no idea what you're doing. Look at the submittal form...it advises you to send your items to some dude's house. Theyve blocked many people online for asking any questions about this. Holy shit. You really aren't joking. It's legit a house. Why in the world would I send things that have so much value to a random house in LA? On top of their website being absolutely horrid. It's so crazy to me we have all these companies/people trying to get into this collectible space but none of them spend the time/money to build a halfway decent brand or website.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWunderful | 2,927 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 15 hours ago, Gulag Joe said: It's all the same thing. One has an arguably better website. Other than that, it's just a person deciding what they think of your item. Thats all any grading company is. or any judge of anything for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWunderful | 2,927 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 3 hours ago, Startyde said: Teaming with IGS just made Goldin Auctions a joke for game and collectables. It wreaks of desperation to get a piece of the pie and having no idea what you're doing. Look at the submittal form...it advises you to send your items to some dude's house. Theyve blocked many people online for asking any questions about this. If this is true I am sure happy I decided not to send anything to them. Curious if Jared will speak to this. And IGS looks like a literal dumpster fire. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tidaldreams | 654 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 Lol, never understood why anyone would send anything to the rando companies that keep popping up. Here's a hilarious example for pokemon cards. SGC 10 Hidden Fates Charizard $260 from a 12k feedback seller: https://www.ebay.com/itm/184881085754 PSA 10 Hidden Fates Charizard $885 from "only" a 326 feedback seller: https://www.ebay.com/itm/402919686574 Both are auction format that ended within 1 day of each other, yet the PSA version sold for 4x the price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gulag Joe | 582 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 7 minutes ago, tidaldreams said: Lol, never understood why anyone would send anything to the rando companies that keep popping up. Here's a hilarious example for pokemon cards. SGC 10 Hidden Fates Charizard $260 from a 12k feedback seller: https://www.ebay.com/itm/184881085754 PSA 10 Hidden Fates Charizard $885 from "only" a 326 feedback seller: https://www.ebay.com/itm/402919686574 Both are auction format that ended within 1 day of each other, yet the PSA version sold for 4x the price If you're a VHS collector and want your items graded and encapsulated, IGS is the only bar in town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inasuma | 1,203 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, tidaldreams said: Lol, never understood why anyone would send anything to the rando companies that keep popping up. Here's a hilarious example for pokemon cards. SGC 10 Hidden Fates Charizard $260 from a 12k feedback seller: https://www.ebay.com/itm/184881085754 PSA 10 Hidden Fates Charizard $885 from "only" a 326 feedback seller: https://www.ebay.com/itm/402919686574 Both are auction format that ended within 1 day of each other, yet the PSA version sold for 4x the price This is actually a pretty poor example. SGC has a long track record and is actually well respected in the graded card space. Plus, smpratte bought an SGC 10 pristine 1st edition base zard for $360k, a record setting price at the time. Compared to IGS, which is run out of some dude's house in LA. rofl EDIT: sidenote, that sgc 10 charizard is kinda beat up on the back. not surprised it sold so low. but these things happen, even with companies as prolific as psa. Edited July 8, 2021 by inasuma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tidaldreams | 654 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 20 minutes ago, inasuma said: This is actually a pretty poor example. SGC has a long track record and is actually well respected in the graded card space. Plus, smpratte bought an SGC 10 pristine 1st edition base zard for $360k, a record setting price at the time. Compared to IGS, which is run out of some dude's house in LA. rofl EDIT: sidenote, that sgc 10 charizard is kinda beat up on the back. not surprised it sold so low. but these things happen, even with companies as prolific as psa. Well, that goes to show you how reputable the company is if they are giving 10's to cards looking like that. I personally would never send anything to them. I wouldn't send anything to CGC or Beckett either but that's more of an investment decision rather than those companies not being reputable. If a SGC 1st edition zard went for $360k, then the PSA versions are probably north of half a mil by now. Although, if one had a 1st edition zard, sending it to SGC rather than PSA seems like one of the stupidest investment decisions one could ever make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inasuma | 1,203 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, tidaldreams said: Well, that goes to show you how reputable the company is if they are giving 10's to cards looking like that. PSA has this problem too though? Here's a PSA 10 rocket zard that went to auction recently with pretty poor looking edges on the back. The issue is that all of these companies are third party and run complex operations. I wouldn't draw the line at one company because they fucked up on a grade - they all do it, even today. PSA just happens to be the market leader. 16 minutes ago, tidaldreams said: If a SGC 1st edition zard went for $360k, then the PSA versions are probably north of half a mil by now. I'll believe it when there's a sale. AFAIK the highest sale on a PSA 10 was $380k from Goldin, in March. Anyway, I just don't see how SGC is some "rando" grading company when they've been around for decades at this point. Edited July 8, 2021 by inasuma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tidaldreams | 654 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 11 minutes ago, inasuma said: PSA has this problem too though? Here's a PSA 10 rocket zard that went to auction recently with pretty poor looking edges on the back. The issue is that all of these companies are third party and run complex operations. I wouldn't draw the line at one company because they fucked up on a grade - they all do it, even today. PSA just happens to be the market leader. I'll believe it when there's a sale. AFAIK the highest sale on a PSA 10 was $380k from Goldin, in March. Anyway, I just don't see how SGC is some "rando" grading company when they've been around for decades at this point. That's a really old PSA cert in the 20mm range. This again comes down to knowing what you're buying. Obviously such an old cert might have issues like you mentioned. The newest certs in the 60mm range or even starting around the 40mm range would never have issues like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inasuma | 1,203 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 We're kind of getting off topic, but I agree with you @tidaldreams. Today PSA is far less likely to put out bad PSA 10s. That sad, SGC is still not at all comparable to IGS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tidaldreams | 654 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 This whole thread has derailed anyway. OP hasn't responded to many questions that people have asked regarding their auction. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gulag Joe | 582 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 35 minutes ago, inasuma said: We're kind of getting off topic, but I agree with you @tidaldreams. Today PSA is far less likely to put out bad PSA 10s. That sad, SGC is still not at all comparable to IGS. I have a few psa 10 cards that look like they should be 9s. And I have a bgs 9.5 gem mint that should be a pristine 10, and yet at the same time I have another bgs 9.5 gem that should be an 8.5! They all have their issues but that prob comes with the territory of having more than one person grading stuff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefaultGen | 5,401 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 7 hours ago, Startyde said: Teaming with IGS just made Goldin Auctions a joke for game and collectables. It wreaks of desperation to get a piece of the pie and having no idea what you're doing. Look at the submittal form...it advises you to send your items to some dude's house. Theyve blocked many people online for asking any questions about this. Damn it's just a biggish suburban house and Zillow's estimate is $2.5m. You guys who live in LA are baller as hell. I wouldn't buy separate real estate for my tape business either! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a3quit4s | 4,096 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 8 minutes ago, DefaultGen said: Damn it's just a biggish suburban house and Zillow's estimate is $2.5m. You guys who live in LA are baller as hell. I wouldn't buy separate real estate for my tape business either! Good money in graded VHS apparently or plenty of other fraudulent schemes to pay the bills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Startyde | 175 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 (edited) 37 minutes ago, DefaultGen said: Damn it's just a biggish suburban house and Zillow's estimate is $2.5m. You guys who live in LA are baller as hell. I wouldn't buy separate real estate for my tape business either! Now look up the corporate address on the main page. Wanna venture a guess why that addy is different and an office park? Surely some questions begin to form, questions IGS blocks you from asking. Edited July 8, 2021 by Startyde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OptOut | 8,883 Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 Um... @Jared_Goldinauctions... So you guys are owned by PSA now... And so is WATA... https://www.actionnetwork.com/news/psa-grading-parent-buys-video-game-grader-wata So... Just HOW bad should we expect the collusion, price pumping and shady FUCKING BULLSHIT to get over there at Goldin Auctions exactly? This fucking racket is getting sicker by the day, fuck! 2 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tidaldreams | 654 Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 On 7/14/2021 at 10:18 AM, OptOut said: Um... @Jared_Goldinauctions... So you guys are owned by PSA now... And so is WATA... https://www.actionnetwork.com/news/psa-grading-parent-buys-video-game-grader-wata So... Just HOW bad should we expect the collusion, price pumping and shady FUCKING BULLSHIT to get over there at Goldin Auctions exactly? This fucking racket is getting sicker by the day, fuck! Isn't PSA's parent company owned by Blackstone? Why didn't they go balls to the wall and just buy Heritage instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerfestus | 3,833 Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 (edited) 52 minutes ago, tidaldreams said: Isn't PSA's parent company owned by Blackstone? Why didn't they go balls to the wall and just buy Heritage instead? Buy budget auction house, crush HA under boot on the cheap? Edited July 16, 2021 by Hammerfestus 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inasuma | 1,203 Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 On 7/14/2021 at 7:18 AM, OptOut said: Um... @Jared_Goldinauctions... So you guys are owned by PSA now... And so is WATA... https://www.actionnetwork.com/news/psa-grading-parent-buys-video-game-grader-wata So... Just HOW bad should we expect the collusion, price pumping and shady FUCKING BULLSHIT to get over there at Goldin Auctions exactly? This fucking racket is getting sicker by the day, fuck! oh cmon dude 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExplodedHamster | 404 Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 4 hours ago, tidaldreams said: Isn't PSA's parent company owned by Blackstone? Why didn't they go balls to the wall and just buy Heritage instead? No, it’s Collector’s Universe. Blackstone bought CGC. So much happening lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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