3rdStrongestMole | 448 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Read his description. If VGA turned this away it has me nervous because I would totally look at this as a legit factory seal. I really hope reseals are not getting this good. https://www.ebay.com/itm/174472006276 Link to comment https://www.videogamesage.com/forums/topic/5510-zelda-sealed-possible-reseal-looks-legit/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefaultGen | 5,802 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 The original listing had a better picture of the stress on the hinge. This actually has a bid for $1000 already even after a suspicious auction and VGA's opinion that it's resealed? Wild. Link to comment https://www.videogamesage.com/forums/topic/5510-zelda-sealed-possible-reseal-looks-legit/#findComment-126594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdStrongestMole | 448 Posted October 13, 2020 Author Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, DefaultGen said: The original listing had a better picture of the stress on the hinge. This actually has a bid for $1000 already even after a suspicious auction and VGA's opinion that it's resealed? Wild. Yeah, it's very odd. Just never seen H-Seam like that on a reseal. I guess someone's willing to risk it. Link to comment https://www.videogamesage.com/forums/topic/5510-zelda-sealed-possible-reseal-looks-legit/#findComment-126607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH | 5,341 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 I assume these were all hand-assembled back in the day. Not sure if any of you all have ever worked in a factory, but you can build up muscle memory really quickly when you have to unfold a flattened box and pack something. However, when you are new on a production line, you're slow, you make mistakes and you have to learn to be fast. If these were hand assembled, there is a chance the factory worker made a mistake tucking in the flap, opened it up again, and then pushed it back down. Maybe the manual was hanging half-out so they had to open it up when they realized it after bending down the flap once. Total newb mistake, and not at all implausible. Maybe that's what this is. A factory sealed game, but the packer made a mistake and opened it and then re-closed it. Another option is that before shrink wrapping, QA may take a sample game a day (or 2-3 times a day) open it, verify that everything was in there and in the right order, then the QA checker might have re-packed the game and put it back on the assembly line to be sealed. I think both of these options are very plausible. Link to comment https://www.videogamesage.com/forums/topic/5510-zelda-sealed-possible-reseal-looks-legit/#findComment-126610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdStrongestMole | 448 Posted October 13, 2020 Author Share Posted October 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, RH said: I assume these were all hand-assembled back in the day. Not sure if any of you all have ever worked in a factory, but you can build up muscle memory really quickly when you have to unfold a flattened box and pack something. However, when you are new on a production line, you're slow, you make mistakes and you have to learn to be fast. If these were hand assembled, there is a chance the factory worker made a mistake tucking in the flap, opened it up again, and then pushed it back down. Maybe the manual was hanging half-out so they had to open it up when they realized it after bending down the flap once. Total newb mistake, and not at all implausible. Maybe that's what this is. A factory sealed game, but the packer made a mistake and opened it and then re-closed it. Another option is that before shrink wrapping, QA may take a sample game a day (or 2-3 times a day) open it, verify that everything was in there and in the right order, then the QA checker might have re-packed the game and put it back on the assembly line to be sealed. I think both of these options are very plausible. This would make me feel better. Not because I'm going to bid on this, but just for the sake of feeling secure with H-Seam again Link to comment https://www.videogamesage.com/forums/topic/5510-zelda-sealed-possible-reseal-looks-legit/#findComment-126612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
operationivy | 24 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 It is a reseal. The original listing had some shadiness to it that people were able to backtrack it to the sellers actual account. (yugicollectorz or something along those lines). Definitely a high quality reseal, but it is indeed a reseal. 1 1 Link to comment https://www.videogamesage.com/forums/topic/5510-zelda-sealed-possible-reseal-looks-legit/#findComment-126618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
austin532 | 470 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 That is scary how close it looks to a real one but yes something looks off about the seal. The seams are thinner than usual and the roller marks on the back for the h seam seem farther apart than usual. Link to comment https://www.videogamesage.com/forums/topic/5510-zelda-sealed-possible-reseal-looks-legit/#findComment-126631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdStrongestMole | 448 Posted October 13, 2020 Author Share Posted October 13, 2020 It's going to make Ebay shopping even harder... I guess the good thing is VGA (and hopefully WATA?) are being super thorough. Link to comment https://www.videogamesage.com/forums/topic/5510-zelda-sealed-possible-reseal-looks-legit/#findComment-126647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorEncore | 3,691 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 I'm 99% sure this is a reseal. Do not buy. Link to comment https://www.videogamesage.com/forums/topic/5510-zelda-sealed-possible-reseal-looks-legit/#findComment-126673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdStrongestMole | 448 Posted October 14, 2020 Author Share Posted October 14, 2020 I don't know much about sealing things with cellophane, but wouldn't this take a very specific type of expensive machinery? Then again, someone flipping CIB as sealed would probably garner enough profit to make that worth it. Seems to me the video game market numbers are already pretty jacked up. Things like this will make grading almost essential. SMH Link to comment https://www.videogamesage.com/forums/topic/5510-zelda-sealed-possible-reseal-looks-legit/#findComment-126769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorEncore | 3,691 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 1 hour ago, 3rdStrongestMole said: I don't know much about sealing things with cellophane, but wouldn't this take a very specific type of expensive machinery? Then again, someone flipping CIB as sealed would probably garner enough profit to make that worth it. Seems to me the video game market numbers are already pretty jacked up. Things like this will make grading almost essential. SMH This type of H-Seam is more difficult to replicate than other types, but it is very doable. Link to comment https://www.videogamesage.com/forums/topic/5510-zelda-sealed-possible-reseal-looks-legit/#findComment-126810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Jimmer | 234 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 (edited) On 10/13/2020 at 1:57 PM, 3rdStrongestMole said: Read his description. If VGA turned this away it has me nervous because I would totally look at this as a legit factory seal. I really hope reseals are not getting this good. https://www.ebay.com/itm/174472006276 Yep. I hate to say it but it is a reseal. i know because i bought two zelda games from the same seller that ended up being verified at wata as reseals. They looked really good in pics, but felt a but off in hand. At least they were able to confirm quickly that they werent legit seals. Here are the pics. And if anyone has any info on yugi collectorz, or his real name daniel kilpatrick from kingsland,GA id appreciate it as he owes me 3500$ and wont respond to my messages anymore. He sells these reseals through alternate ebay accounts with low/no feedback. Be careful out there these seals fooled veteran collectors as well (not referring to myself obviously lol). Edited October 16, 2020 by Jim Jimmer 3 2 Link to comment https://www.videogamesage.com/forums/topic/5510-zelda-sealed-possible-reseal-looks-legit/#findComment-127243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdStrongestMole | 448 Posted October 16, 2020 Author Share Posted October 16, 2020 13 minutes ago, Jim Jimmer said: Yep. I hate to say it but it is a reseal. i know because i bought two zelda games from the same seller that ended up being verified at wata as reseals. They looked really good in pics, but felt a but off in hand. At least they were able to confirm quickly that they werent legit seals. Here are the pics. And if anyone has any info on yugi collectorz, or his real name daniel kilpatrick from kingsland,GA id appreciate it as he owes me 3500$ and wont respond to my messages anymore. He sells these reseals through alternate ebay accounts with low/no feedback. Be careful out there these seals fooled veteran collectors as well (not referring to myself obviously lol). Wow. Those seals look even better. Sounds like this guy is straight up scamming. People like this need to be called out hard. Time to do a little more research... 1 Link to comment https://www.videogamesage.com/forums/topic/5510-zelda-sealed-possible-reseal-looks-legit/#findComment-127249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePhleo | 2,294 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 It's not like Nintendo had some sort of mythical method of shrink wrapping plastic. It just takes the right machinery. Anyone can browse used industrial machinery retailers and find a machine to do it properly. It just was never worth it to invest tens of thousands of dollars into it. Now in a world where common games can get five figure sales prices it may very well be worth it to get some mid '80s printing and shrink wrapping machinery. 2 Link to comment https://www.videogamesage.com/forums/topic/5510-zelda-sealed-possible-reseal-looks-legit/#findComment-127284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorEncore | 3,691 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 3 hours ago, Jim Jimmer said: Yep. I hate to say it but it is a reseal. i know because i bought two zelda games from the same seller that ended up being verified at wata as reseals. They looked really good in pics, but felt a but off in hand. At least they were able to confirm quickly that they werent legit seals. Here are the pics. And if anyone has any info on yugi collectorz, or his real name daniel kilpatrick from kingsland,GA id appreciate it as he owes me 3500$ and wont respond to my messages anymore. He sells these reseals through alternate ebay accounts with low/no feedback. Be careful out there these seals fooled veteran collectors as well (not referring to myself obviously lol). These are very good reseals, but there are a few clues as to their counterfeit nature. It appears the pressure on his machine was too high and/or imbalanced resulting in: Thin seams Curved seams Wavy seams I deleted the pictures that pass muster and left only the suspicious ones in the quoted text above. In addition, there are areas of box damage beneath perfect seals. We are in an age of buyer beware when it comes to videogame collectibles. I'd definitely recommend everyone here post pics of suspicious items before betting the farm on them or demand grading before purchase. Hopefully crowdsourcing the pics, such as in this thread, can lead to a consensus opinion. 3 2 Link to comment https://www.videogamesage.com/forums/topic/5510-zelda-sealed-possible-reseal-looks-legit/#findComment-127288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Jimmer | 234 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 2 hours ago, DoctorEncore said: These are very good reseals, but there are a few clues as to their counterfeit nature. It appears the pressure on his machine was too high and/or imbalanced resulting in: Thin seams Curved seams Wavy seams I deleted the pictures that pass muster and left only the suspicious ones in the quoted text above. In addition, there are areas of box damage beneath perfect seals. We are in an age of buyer beware when it comes to videogame collectibles. I'd definitely recommend everyone here post pics of suspicious items before betting the farm on them or demand grading before purchase. Hopefully crowdsourcing the pics, such as in this thread, can lead to a consensus opinion. Great response, however a collective thread of reseals and pointers to spot reseals would benefit the community but also benefit re-sealers in fixing their « mistakes », so it’s a double-edged sword... 1 Link to comment https://www.videogamesage.com/forums/topic/5510-zelda-sealed-possible-reseal-looks-legit/#findComment-127323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPX | 1,435 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 On 10/17/2020 at 5:43 AM, Jim Jimmer said: Great response, however a collective thread of reseals and pointers to spot reseals would benefit the community but also benefit re-sealers in fixing their « mistakes », so it’s a double-edged sword... Yep, double-edged.. At the end of the day, if anyone wants to dive deep into sealed collecting, then they have to be meticulous with their research. There is no real substitute for learning and experiencing from firsthand what is a genuine factory sealed. Btw, hope you can hunt that seller down one day. I’d love to hunt down a few sellers myself.. 2 1 1 Link to comment https://www.videogamesage.com/forums/topic/5510-zelda-sealed-possible-reseal-looks-legit/#findComment-127618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rondy | 16 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Before the auction of the original post, this exact same game was sold under a different username, same seller I'm guessing. Originally it went for a lot more as it looked more legit in the photos IMO. https://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Legend-of-Zelda-NES-1987-REV-A-Round-SOQ-Mid-Production-Factory-Sealed-/353187804953?_trksid=p2349526.m4383.l44720.c10&nordt=true&rt=nc&orig_cvip=true Link to comment https://www.videogamesage.com/forums/topic/5510-zelda-sealed-possible-reseal-looks-legit/#findComment-129140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdStrongestMole | 448 Posted October 22, 2020 Author Share Posted October 22, 2020 2 hours ago, rondy said: Before the auction of the original post, this exact same game was sold under a different username, same seller I'm guessing. Originally it went for a lot more as it looked more legit in the photos IMO. https://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Legend-of-Zelda-NES-1987-REV-A-Round-SOQ-Mid-Production-Factory-Sealed-/353187804953?_trksid=p2349526.m4383.l44720.c10&nordt=true&rt=nc&orig_cvip=true Same ding in bottom left on back, but no damage on front. Also, seal looks worse on more recent one. If this is the same one, I'm extra confused now. Link to comment https://www.videogamesage.com/forums/topic/5510-zelda-sealed-possible-reseal-looks-legit/#findComment-129208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Jimmer | 234 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 2 hours ago, 3rdStrongestMole said: Same ding in bottom left on back, but no damage on front. Also, seal looks worse on more recent one. If this is the same one, I'm extra confused now. It’s the same game. Same damage etc. i’ll add to the confusion During the initial auction (15k one) some people posted on IG it was a reseal. Someone claimed in the comments they had bought it so i reached out to explain my situation with the 2 reseals i had bought. The guy claimed he « wouldn't grade it and bought it for his nephew(!), who is 6 (?!?!?) like wtf who would do that?! Then we see this listing from endzonesportscards, which is the same game, but his feedback doesnt correspond to the one who won the initial auction. So perhaps the game moved privately before hitting ebay again? now im really confused, and even more pissed that this resealed turd keeps turning onto unsuspecting buyers Link to comment https://www.videogamesage.com/forums/topic/5510-zelda-sealed-possible-reseal-looks-legit/#findComment-129254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdStrongestMole | 448 Posted October 23, 2020 Author Share Posted October 23, 2020 29 minutes ago, Jim Jimmer said: It’s the same game. Same damage etc. i’ll add to the confusion During the initial auction (15k one) some people posted on IG it was a reseal. Someone claimed in the comments they had bought it so i reached out to explain my situation with the 2 reseals i had bought. The guy claimed he « wouldn't grade it and bought it for his nephew(!), who is 6 (?!?!?) like wtf who would do that?! Then we see this listing from endzonesportscards, which is the same game, but his feedback doesnt correspond to the one who won the initial auction. So perhaps the game moved privately before hitting ebay again? now im really confused, and even more pissed that this resealed turd keeps turning onto unsuspecting buyers What the fuck. Not only that, but these eBay shops look legit based on other sales, etc. I wouldn't have any reason (as an unsuspecting buyer) not to trust this person (people?). More reasons to avoid eBay for me, but sealed market is so scarce anyways, idk where I'm gonna get my fix Link to comment https://www.videogamesage.com/forums/topic/5510-zelda-sealed-possible-reseal-looks-legit/#findComment-129264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdStrongestMole | 448 Posted October 23, 2020 Author Share Posted October 23, 2020 Also, some of these sellers don't make any sense. I'm looking at one that has about 700 sales of necklaces and bracelets, and all of a sudden they have about 10 sealed games posted. Everyone trying to make a buck off my nostalgia Link to comment https://www.videogamesage.com/forums/topic/5510-zelda-sealed-possible-reseal-looks-legit/#findComment-129477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rondy | 16 Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 It's back! https://www.ebay.com/itm/254773007077 Link to comment https://www.videogamesage.com/forums/topic/5510-zelda-sealed-possible-reseal-looks-legit/#findComment-133798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdStrongestMole | 448 Posted November 9, 2020 Author Share Posted November 9, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, rondy said: It's back! https://www.ebay.com/itm/254773007077 Wtf. This account looks relatively unused over the last year. Worse yet, no disclaimer like the other one had saying not verified by VGA and what not. At least it's unsold, but I'm sure it will pop up again before too long Edited November 9, 2020 by 3rdStrongestMole Looks like buyer just went ahead and posted to resell. Could just be the same dude I guess. Link to comment https://www.videogamesage.com/forums/topic/5510-zelda-sealed-possible-reseal-looks-legit/#findComment-133821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefaultGen | 5,802 Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 I really hope this is one dude trying to "money launder" a fake game through multiple accounts or something, lol. Link to comment https://www.videogamesage.com/forums/topic/5510-zelda-sealed-possible-reseal-looks-legit/#findComment-133871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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