arch_8ngel | 1,597 Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, captmorgandrinker said: You're thinking waaaaaaaaaay too suburban. I guarantee there's podunk towns where they don't have the Liquor Control Board breathing down their neck that could give two shits. Could be. But I think it reinforces the point that when the community cares about the issue, it really isn't as simple as "they're gonna get it anyway", without heavy caveats about what age that statement might become more accurate (i.e. seniors in high school, versus kids in elementary or middle school having unfettered access) I had cousins in much more rural areas, and they tended to have low-end beer access around senior year of high school from parents that would rather have the kids drink shitty beer, puke it up, and all sleep over at their house than have them out driving around. But the kids weren't just buying it themselves, and it wasn't YOUNG kids having access. I'm not saying that 21 years old is necessarily the right age barrier. But I absolutely think the world would be a worse place if a 13 year old could walk into a liquor store and buy hard liquor. Edited July 29, 2020 by arch_8ngel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerfestus | 3,833 Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Seems the puritanical mystique is the issue not the drinking age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captmorgandrinker | 1,649 Administrator · Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 18 minutes ago, arch_8ngel said: Could be. But I think it reinforces the point that when the community cares about the issue, it really isn't as simple as "they're gonna get it anyway", without heavy caveats about what age that statement might become more accurate (i.e. seniors in high school, versus kids in elementary or middle school having unfettered access) I had cousins in much more rural areas, and they tended to have low-end beer access around senior year of high school from parents that would rather have the kids drink shitty beer, puke it up, and all sleep over at their house than have them out driving around. But the kids weren't just buying it themselves, and it wasn't YOUNG kids having access. I'm not saying that 21 years old is necessarily the right age barrier. But I absolutely think the world would be a worse place if a 13 year old could walk into a liquor store and buy hard liquor. Yeah, and I don't think the stores that'll "look the other way" would go that young either. But if you look at least 18 (or 16 for tobacco) that seems to be the moral cutoff. Although is tobacco 21 everywhere now too? I know in Ohio it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arch_8ngel | 1,597 Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, captmorgandrinker said: Yeah, and I don't think the stores that'll "look the other way" would go that young either. But if you look at least 18 (or 16 for tobacco) that seems to be the moral cutoff. Although is tobacco 21 everywhere now too? I know in Ohio it is. Yeah, pretty sure most states are 21 for tobacco now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docile tapeworm | 4,198 Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 1 hour ago, JamesRobot said: Spirit is alright. Can't really get into em. mr skin we know where you been!!! cant get into "natures way"?!?!!!! what the!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Hill | 276 Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Weed should be legal, period. I'm conflicted about alcohol laws, as I don't think there is a "magic" age. I do think the laws seem to be too lenient for DUIs though, as I've known many people who've had multiple before they faced any real consequence. Drunk driving is my biggest issue with alcohol. It'd be nice to have a breathalyzer come standard in every vehicle. Opioids is a whole other mess. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docile tapeworm | 4,198 Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 2 hours ago, Gloves said: Frankly I was being a bit cynical there, I grew up in a shit area with shit parents and just overall shitty shit shit sharoo. The long and short is that MY experience has been that these rules around age and buying stuff is: Laws against buying things do nothing to stop kids from getting it Conversely, the rules themselves make it edgy/cool to subvert Kids I know could go to the store and just pay a bit extra to get this stuff, and it was the hip thing to do in my area. I'll admit to having tried some basic booze as a kid and I just didn't like it at all, it tasted gross, so I avoided it. I was never too worried about being cool so it didn't impact me in that "push through it and acquire the taste" kinda way. Long story short I'm a bit biased on it. It just took seeing some other folks talking about their opinions on it for me to remember my experience isn't the one experience. I feel that if it weren't so cool to break the rules, kids would be less interested in it. It's admittedly a relatively naive idea. Removing the limits altogether are perhaps extreme; I think a good alt would be like I said - get some learning in school on the impact of these things. I've been out of school for a long time obviously, but at least when I was in school the lessons on drugs/alcohol were pretty poor IMO. Needs fewer scare tactics, and more real science. I don't HAVE kids so I have no clue what it's like today. 1 hour ago, arch_8ngel said: Just want you to know that this is not common anywhere I have ever lived, though I'm not saying there aren't places where it is possible. Stores take the risk of being shut down or fined very seriously here to where "a bit extra to get this stuff" is nowhere near worth the financial risk. 51 minutes ago, BriGuy82 said: We used to just get older kids with fake I.D.s to buy us booze, usually a kid with a beard. The liquor stores didn't really care as long as it was an I.D.. I had a fake I.D. when I was 16 and got served. I must've looked like I was about 12. But this was all pre- 9/11 and also preinternet. 40 minutes ago, captmorgandrinker said: You're thinking waaaaaaaaaay too suburban. I guarantee there's podunk towns where they don't have the Liquor Control Board breathing down their neck that could give two shits. it happened anywhere i have ever lived. bums, older "kids", know the guy at the store and throw him a cut... i been able to get liqour since 15 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloves | 11,771 Administrator · Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 11 minutes ago, docile tapeworm said: it happened anywhere i have ever lived. bums, older "kids", know the guy at the store and throw him a cut... i been able to get liqour since 15 years old. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BriGuy82 | 765 Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 34 minutes ago, Gloves said: That's song's hook is definitely celebrating drugs! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloves | 11,771 Administrator · Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, BriGuy82 said: That's song's hook is definitely celebrating drugs! Some are good! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BriGuy82 | 765 Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, Gloves said: Some are good! I'll see your drugs video and raise you a mcgruff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arch_8ngel | 1,597 Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 8 minutes ago, BriGuy82 said: I'll see your drugs video and raise you a mcgruff. I had a great McGruff hand puppet as a kid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BriGuy82 | 765 Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, arch_8ngel said: I had a great McGruff hand puppet as a kid. NO. WAY. Like the ones they used to have in school? What a dork!!! Edited July 29, 2020 by BriGuy82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BriGuy82 | 765 Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, arch_8ngel said: I had a great McGruff hand puppet as a kid. I'm just kidding. At least you know your parents loved you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captmorgandrinker | 1,649 Administrator · Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 1 hour ago, docile tapeworm said: it happened anywhere i have ever lived. bums, older "kids", know the guy at the store and throw him a cut... i been able to get liqour since 15 years old. I'm sending you a Wally Bear and the NO! Gang for Christmas! 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesRobot | 5,793 Events Team · Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 1 hour ago, docile tapeworm said: mr skin we know where you been!!! cant get into "natures way"?!?!!!! what the!!! Nah, thas some wussy ass hippie shit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docile tapeworm | 4,198 Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 13 minutes ago, Gloves said: "drugs drugs drugs" and the cops lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docile tapeworm | 4,198 Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 7 minutes ago, JamesRobot said: Nah, thas some wussy ass hippie shit. my heart. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docile tapeworm | 4,198 Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 59 minutes ago, BriGuy82 said: That's song's hook is definitely celebrating drugs! i was thinking the same thing! 55 minutes ago, Gloves said: Some are good! lol and they show pharmacuticles then a crack pipe lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone3969 | 304 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 The fact that weed isn't legal is ludicrous to me. It has never caused a death, not one, and it has been around since plants have been growing on Earth. Can you believe it is a classified level one drug federally? Yes, that's right. It's grouped with crack, meth, cocaine, LSD, heroin, all the heavy hitters. Just bonkers. Oh and this is the newest NoFX live album... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Count | 526 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Rafael Palmeiro told me that Adderall will increase my Mean Bean Machine scores. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estil | 1,264 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 1 hour ago, tbone3969 said: The fact that weed isn't legal is ludicrous to me. I'm a bit puzzled though as to why pot legalization has become so fashionable over the past ten years even though we've spent the past few decades or so pounding "Big Tobacco" mercilessly by all the anti-smoking groups. I mean since you smoke both kinds doesn't marijuana blacken your lungs over time with smoke just as much as cigs do? I know pot doesn't have nicotine in it like cigs do but surely it too can be addictive in its own way? I even remember years ago being asked in a phone survey about whether pot is a "gateway drug". At the time I said that I suppose it could be but it depends on the individual. So we made every effort to make smoking cigarettes as shameful as possible yet all of a sudden legalizing pot has become so fashionable? I just don't get it. And back during the golden age of pot (60s) wasn't the fact that it was illegal gave it such a great appeal? You know, rebellion, forbidden fruit and all that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estil | 1,264 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 5 hours ago, arch_8ngel said: Yeah, pretty sure most states are 21 for tobacco now. At least you don't have a confusing two tier age thing...so there's that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloves | 11,771 Administrator · Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, Estil said: I'm a bit puzzled though as to why pot legalization has become so fashionable over the past ten years even though we've spent the past few decades or so pounding "Big Tobacco" mercilessly by all the anti-smoking groups. I mean since you smoke both kinds doesn't marijuana blacken your lungs over time with smoke just as much as cigs do? I know pot doesn't have nicotine in it like cigs do but surely it too can be addictive in its own way? I even remember years ago being asked in a phone survey about whether pot is a "gateway drug". At the time I said that I suppose it could be but it depends on the individual. So we made every effort to make smoking cigarettes as shameful as possible yet all of a sudden legalizing pot has become so fashionable? I just don't get it. And back during the golden age of pot (60s) wasn't the fact that it was illegal gave it such a great appeal? You know, rebellion, forbidden fruit and all that? Nicotine itself is highly addictive; main difference being that smokers will suffer from withdrawal because of this. People could start to mentally depend upon marijuana as a crutch, thinking perhaps it's the thing keeping them happy/sane, but they will STILL be able to quit cold turkey once they decide to do so. Nicotine however will actually make you physically ill with its absence. With nicotine it is a genuine physical reliance. Very different. Read this for a bit of extra detail, from Harvard: https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/pot-smokers-can-maybe-breathe-a-little-easier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docile tapeworm | 4,198 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 4 hours ago, tbone3969 said: The fact that weed isn't legal is ludicrous to me. It has never caused a death, not one, and it has been around since plants have been growing on Earth. Can you believe it is a classified level one drug federally? Yes, that's right. It's grouped with crack, meth, cocaine, LSD, heroin, all the heavy hitters. Just bonkers. Oh and this is the newest NoFX live album... i do like some lsd too though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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