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3 hours ago, CodysGameRoom said:

Man, the way you guys talk it's like these guys aren't experts at all...

They dropped the ball when they started up by using guys who only knew NES just try to wing it with everything else.

All they had to do was put a call out to the nerds who built the Nintendoage databases for years who were actual experts on each system and they would have built their database for free. Instead they chose to add people like a friend who was a ban happy mod on NA who I never saw with any actual collecting knowledge onto anything to their "board of experts"  and who tried to enrich themselves by pumping common EA sports games' values lol

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17 hours ago, Nintendopower4ever said:

What was painful to read?

Even if he did stop grading, he still had 2 years to fix the error of grading Latin games as USA games with the wrong region code after we discussed it and never corrected the issue. I know he was always an NES guy so I tried to help them because I actually do know SNES pretty well lol

I was referring to the linked thread being painful to read. And I agree; if there are genuine variants, it should be corrected!

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30 minutes ago, 3rdStrongestMole said:

It says game was graded in 2021.  Is this the first time it's hit the limelight?

 Yeah, it is.  Which means that they knew about the issue almost from the time that they made the mistake, and were happy to let it stay quiet until someone outside of WATA noticed.  Heck, the way that they were still processing stuff in and out at that point, depending on how "shortly after grading" they came to be aware of PCEWorks reproductions, they might have even still had the damned thing in their possession and been able to prevent the whole issue, but just shrugged their shoulders and let it go out the door (most likely to hold onto that sweet, sweet, total bullshit, "current value percentage fee" money).

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When you are in the authentication business, the worst thing you can do is grade a fake as real. 
 

No mistakes allowed. The could have literally just graded it as a repro, but might not have paid attention. 
 

Does wata do PCEngine population reports? I would wager there are less high quality sealed Rondos than SM64.
 

Especially since PCEworks ultra close repros are a known thing in PCE/TG16 circles

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4 minutes ago, MrWunderful said:

When you are in the authentication business, the worst thing you can do is grade a fake as real.

I was thinking that the worse was to have a prototype game not have its data preserved before it was slabbed. It was done before, compliments of VGA, and it makes me wonder if it can maintain any authenticity once all of that data is gone. 🤔

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10 hours ago, FenrirZero said:

I was thinking that the worse was to have a prototype game not have its data preserved before it was slabbed. It was done before, compliments of VGA, and it makes me wonder if it can maintain any authenticity once all of that data is gone. 🤔

That's not great for data preservation and hobby and programming community interest, but it's not part of their defined purpose necessarily. Authentication is, and doing so carelessly and incorrectly should severely damage their reputation on that front.

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The unique object is still there and its functionality is removed by the slab anyway, who cares if it works in Schrödinger's box? So yes, it is still an object of value for collectors interested in that kind of thing. Of course it's still "authentic" that doesn't remove the item's history. Not dumping even makes it more sought after sometimes: see what happened with Socks the Cat Rocks the Hill.

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7 hours ago, Link said:

That's not great for data preservation and hobby and programming community interest, but it's not part of their defined purpose necessarily. Authentication is, and doing so carelessly and incorrectly should severely damage their reputation on that front.

All of that is true.

However, there is also a report that says CGA's reputation should be questioned. More specifically during the period where they were willing to authenticate prototypes. Including the parts where they do not name their authenticators, nor the processes used to say it is the real deal. With one report saying they even ghosted those who would have worked for them all because they asked about said process.

Which is one of the reasons why they labeled them as "NG" as it prevents them from being accused of fraud. Which is all I am going to say because stuff like the PCE repro goes back to Tonigate. While having a company ghost anybody who asks about their authentication process (when it comes to prototypes) should be seen as worse. Which is also why I am hoping CGA's new owners do not allow it to be done when any past authenticators return to that topic.

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On 1/13/2023 at 7:31 PM, Gloves said:

"The WATA team is also attempting to retrieve the game to ensure it is removed from our holder and the certification is voided. "

Lol good fuckin' luck.

I remember this guy! He was always doing shady shit and was a known scammer on Nintendoage over 10 years ago.
Pretty sad if he extorted a bunch of money out of them to just to buy it back lol

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2 hours ago, MrWunderful said:

What was his name?

rpgarcana. He was into making reseals and even went as far as starting a fake grading company if I remember correctly. lol
I see an old digitpres thread

https://forum.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?141731-RPGArcana-(video_game_quality)-must-be-reported-constantly!
 

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14 minutes ago, Nintendopower4ever said:

rpgarcana. He was into making reseals and even went as far as starting a fake grading company if I remember correctly. lol
I see an old digitpres thread

https://forum.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?141731-RPGArcana-(video_game_quality)-must-be-reported-constantly!
 

Good to know, thanks. 

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Everyone here with more general sealed game knowledge than any grader at Wata put up your hand.

Just because you know one thing about a game that a Wata grader missed is not that surprising, there are variants I'm aware of that Wata isn't but I still recognize they know way more than I. As a company grows, I would expect it to make the occasional mistake, did you know Netflix accidentally sent a porno out to people that rented one of their movies? It's a rare mistake that happens while growing, nobody remembers it and you just work towards perfection.

Boeing literally deliberately drove an airplane into the ground with hundreds of people on it TWICE! Now people only care if the software bug has been fixed, nobody thinks twice about it. I don't think authenticating a fake game once is going to do anything to Wata's reputation.

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4 hours ago, Code Monkey said:

Boeing literally deliberately drove an airplane into the ground with hundreds of people on it TWICE!

Hollup.  This literally has nothing to do with WATA making a grading mistake.  ...But I need to know what we're talking about here.  Source?

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29 minutes ago, JamesRobot said:

Hollup.  This literally has nothing to do with WATA making a grading mistake.  ...But I need to know what we're talking about here.  Source?

He's probably referencing this:

https://www.fierceelectronics.com/electronics/killer-software-4-lessons-from-deadly-737-max-crashes

 

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