Nintendopower4ever | 88 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, CodysGameRoom said: Man, the way you guys talk it's like these guys aren't experts at all... They dropped the ball when they started up by using guys who only knew NES just try to wing it with everything else. All they had to do was put a call out to the nerds who built the Nintendoage databases for years who were actual experts on each system and they would have built their database for free. Instead they chose to add people like a friend who was a ban happy mod on NA who I never saw with any actual collecting knowledge onto anything to their "board of experts" and who tried to enrich themselves by pumping common EA sports games' values lol Edited November 7, 2022 by Nintendopower4ever 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inasuma | 1,203 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 17 hours ago, Nintendopower4ever said: What was painful to read? Even if he did stop grading, he still had 2 years to fix the error of grading Latin games as USA games with the wrong region code after we discussed it and never corrected the issue. I know he was always an NES guy so I tried to help them because I actually do know SNES pretty well lol I was referring to the linked thread being painful to read. And I agree; if there are genuine variants, it should be corrected! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodysGameRoom | 2,008 Posted January 13, 2023 Author Share Posted January 13, 2023 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link | 2,707 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 https://blog.watagames.com/2023/01/10/official-policy-on-reproductions-homebrews-and-rom-hacks/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWunderful | 2,926 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 4 minutes ago, Link said: https://blog.watagames.com/2023/01/10/official-policy-on-reproductions-homebrews-and-rom-hacks/ 1/10/23 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloves | 11,759 Administrator · Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 20 minutes ago, MrWunderful said: 1/10/23 "The WATA team is also attempting to retrieve the game to ensure it is removed from our holder and the certification is voided. " Lol good fuckin' luck. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdStrongestMole | 430 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 (edited) What the hell were they thinking, grading ROM hacks to begin with?? Now, this disaster. Ouch lol. I grade(d) through WATA and this is really unsettling. It says game was graded in 2021. Is this the first time it's hit the limelight? Edited January 14, 2023 by 3rdStrongestMole 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWunderful | 2,926 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 37 minutes ago, Gloves said: "The WATA team is also attempting to retrieve the game to ensure it is removed from our holder and the certification is voided. " Lol good fuckin' luck. He should sell it to them for 1.5 mil, technically its more rare than the SM64 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkchylde28 | 1,546 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 30 minutes ago, 3rdStrongestMole said: It says game was graded in 2021. Is this the first time it's hit the limelight? Yeah, it is. Which means that they knew about the issue almost from the time that they made the mistake, and were happy to let it stay quiet until someone outside of WATA noticed. Heck, the way that they were still processing stuff in and out at that point, depending on how "shortly after grading" they came to be aware of PCEWorks reproductions, they might have even still had the damned thing in their possession and been able to prevent the whole issue, but just shrugged their shoulders and let it go out the door (most likely to hold onto that sweet, sweet, total bullshit, "current value percentage fee" money). 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWunderful | 2,926 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 When you are in the authentication business, the worst thing you can do is grade a fake as real. No mistakes allowed. The could have literally just graded it as a repro, but might not have paid attention. Does wata do PCEngine population reports? I would wager there are less high quality sealed Rondos than SM64. Especially since PCEworks ultra close repros are a known thing in PCE/TG16 circles 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YOURTURN | 1,256 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 4 minutes ago, MrWunderful said: When you are in the authentication business, the worst thing you can do is grade a fake as real. I was thinking that the worse was to have a prototype game not have its data preserved before it was slabbed. It was done before, compliments of VGA, and it makes me wonder if it can maintain any authenticity once all of that data is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link | 2,707 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 10 hours ago, FenrirZero said: I was thinking that the worse was to have a prototype game not have its data preserved before it was slabbed. It was done before, compliments of VGA, and it makes me wonder if it can maintain any authenticity once all of that data is gone. That's not great for data preservation and hobby and programming community interest, but it's not part of their defined purpose necessarily. Authentication is, and doing so carelessly and incorrectly should severely damage their reputation on that front. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link | 2,707 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 The unique object is still there and its functionality is removed by the slab anyway, who cares if it works in Schrödinger's box? So yes, it is still an object of value for collectors interested in that kind of thing. Of course it's still "authentic" that doesn't remove the item's history. Not dumping even makes it more sought after sometimes: see what happened with Socks the Cat Rocks the Hill. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inasuma | 1,203 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 17 hours ago, Gloves said: "The WATA team is also attempting to retrieve the game to ensure it is removed from our holder and the certification is voided. " Lol good fuckin' luck. i guarantee they already dumped that cert #. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YOURTURN | 1,256 Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 7 hours ago, Link said: That's not great for data preservation and hobby and programming community interest, but it's not part of their defined purpose necessarily. Authentication is, and doing so carelessly and incorrectly should severely damage their reputation on that front. All of that is true. However, there is also a report that says CGA's reputation should be questioned. More specifically during the period where they were willing to authenticate prototypes. Including the parts where they do not name their authenticators, nor the processes used to say it is the real deal. With one report saying they even ghosted those who would have worked for them all because they asked about said process. Which is one of the reasons why they labeled them as "NG" as it prevents them from being accused of fraud. Which is all I am going to say because stuff like the PCE repro goes back to Tonigate. While having a company ghost anybody who asks about their authentication process (when it comes to prototypes) should be seen as worse. Which is also why I am hoping CGA's new owners do not allow it to be done when any past authenticators return to that topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nintendopower4ever | 88 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 On 1/13/2023 at 7:31 PM, Gloves said: "The WATA team is also attempting to retrieve the game to ensure it is removed from our holder and the certification is voided. " Lol good fuckin' luck. I remember this guy! He was always doing shady shit and was a known scammer on Nintendoage over 10 years ago. Pretty sad if he extorted a bunch of money out of them to just to buy it back lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWunderful | 2,926 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 8 hours ago, Nintendopower4ever said: I remember this guy! He was always doing shady shit and was a known scammer on Nintendoage over 10 years ago. Pretty sad if he extorted a bunch of money out of them to just to buy it back lol What was his name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nintendopower4ever | 88 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 2 hours ago, MrWunderful said: What was his name? rpgarcana. He was into making reseals and even went as far as starting a fake grading company if I remember correctly. lol I see an old digitpres threadhttps://forum.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?141731-RPGArcana-(video_game_quality)-must-be-reported-constantly! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWunderful | 2,926 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 14 minutes ago, Nintendopower4ever said: rpgarcana. He was into making reseals and even went as far as starting a fake grading company if I remember correctly. lol I see an old digitpres threadhttps://forum.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?141731-RPGArcana-(video_game_quality)-must-be-reported-constantly! Good to know, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Code Monkey | 2,005 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 (edited) Everyone here with more general sealed game knowledge than any grader at Wata put up your hand. Just because you know one thing about a game that a Wata grader missed is not that surprising, there are variants I'm aware of that Wata isn't but I still recognize they know way more than I. As a company grows, I would expect it to make the occasional mistake, did you know Netflix accidentally sent a porno out to people that rented one of their movies? It's a rare mistake that happens while growing, nobody remembers it and you just work towards perfection. Boeing literally deliberately drove an airplane into the ground with hundreds of people on it TWICE! Now people only care if the software bug has been fixed, nobody thinks twice about it. I don't think authenticating a fake game once is going to do anything to Wata's reputation. Edited January 18, 2023 by Code Monkey 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JamesRobot | 5,785 Events Team · Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 4 hours ago, Code Monkey said: Boeing literally deliberately drove an airplane into the ground with hundreds of people on it TWICE! Hollup. This literally has nothing to do with WATA making a grading mistake. ...But I need to know what we're talking about here. Source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captmorgandrinker | 1,648 Administrator · Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 29 minutes ago, JamesRobot said: Hollup. This literally has nothing to do with WATA making a grading mistake. ...But I need to know what we're talking about here. Source? He's probably referencing this:https://www.fierceelectronics.com/electronics/killer-software-4-lessons-from-deadly-737-max-crashes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesRobot | 5,785 Events Team · Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 More negligent than deliberate but still. Oof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OptOut | 8,879 Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 2 hours ago, JamesRobot said: More negligent than deliberate but still. Oof. Those planes crashed harder than sealed game prices! .... Too soon? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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