Nintegageo | 579 Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 So everyone knows how the $ have changed. Do you think there are more speculators or genuinely interested collectors who have joined this hobby since 2020? I am honestly curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fox | 1,642 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 Yes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostLevel83 | 85 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 Yes. It’s pick-your-lane more than ever now. Old heads will enjoy their collections, estimated market value or not. New collectors will incorporate “value” as a significant part of their hobby, because it takes so much money to get into it now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanooki | 4,925 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 I think largely now, there are more investors than gamers getting into it who want the real pieces other than maybe some key/fun titles (a few, dozen plus) and the system itself. It's just too toxic that even a fool would realize fairly quick the prices are a joke when they learn some game made into the 500K-1M+ copies is getting near to well over retail for the cartridge alone, when other stuff seems to have an irrational price given what is in front of them. You'll have your number that don't care or are just dim bulbs to just deal with it, but the gamers will buy boots, use roms and kits or emulators, some other method because it's wallet breaking. And that's just the ones going in with the stuff that's like the sub $50(100?) club stuff. Those who are fine treating a benjamin like toilet paper, those tools are all about the money, it's an investment property to them at the face value of it, or they'll go in full colletard and go with seals, grading, nitpicking a decimal point on some arbitrary sticker. The true cancers on the hobby that put us here. TO the rest who still want it but the prices suck, we deal, we trade, we buy a bunch, keep a few and trade/sell the rest to slice the pain off the top. Now made all the more hard with the tax scam on reporting now congress thankfully has a few bills on the floor with bipartisan support to deal with (and hopefully will and not die in committee.) For me it's doing that, losing more stuff I just don't need extra copies of, dumping systems that got dusty for years, and in some cases I'm buying bootlegs now because $300 for a MD game can piss off when I can get a new gold trace/pin board version for under/about $10 (ie: Gleylancer is that example.) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWunderful | 2,926 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 Speculators are the only thing that drives outrageous million dollar prices 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a3quit4s | 4,033 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 I think the speculators only represent a small fraction it just seems to be a smaller circle of people buying up all the graded stuff. Game collecting outside of that is only expensive depending on what you buy and how often you do it. You could be buying one game a month for $20 and calling yourself a collector. Maybe the days where there were numerous people gobbling up truckloads of games at once for $18 is over but that doesn’t mean someone buying one or two games here or there doesn’t also make someone a collector. I’d still say the genuinely interested far outnumber the speculators. I think full set collecting may go out the door but people will always be buying the popular games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Feisty_Pickle | 244 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 I still follow r/gamecollecting even though it's a cesspool just so I can get an idea of the collecting market. I would say 90% of the posts on there are casual collectors with somewhat modest collections, and from peoples attitude over there I assume most of them are < 16 years old. From what I've seen, a lot of the newer collectors are targeting more modern consoles that they probably grew up with, which for the most part are still cheap enough to build a collection for. I doubt there are many people newly getting into pre N64 though for collecting purposes. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alder | 243 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 48 minutes ago, A_Feisty_Pickle said: I still follow r/gamecollecting even though it's a cesspool just so I can get an idea of the collecting market. I would say 90% of the posts on there are casual collectors with somewhat modest collections, and from peoples attitude over there I assume most of them are < 16 years old. From what I've seen, a lot of the newer collectors are targeting more modern consoles that they probably grew up with, which for the most part are still cheap enough to build a collection for. I doubt there are many people newly getting into pre N64 though for collecting purposes. I generally enjoy Reddit, but it makes me feel old now. I'm only 30 but it's really weird seeing people show off their latest find for what I instinctively want to value at like $100, but they're psyched to have gotten it for $300, and I look it up and it goes for $400. Like, damn. I personally have a hard time feeling good about finding something for 20% under market value when I know it was 300% under market value just a year ago... It's even weirder with newer stuff, especially 3DS. And I think there are probably plenty of newer collectors getting into pre N64 stuff, just maybe not interested in full set collecting. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloves | 11,683 Administrator · Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 Yeah I see little NES cart only collections of like 10 games all the time on reddit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefaultGen | 5,326 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 21 minutes ago, Gloves said: Yeah I see little NES cart only collections of like 10 games all the time on reddit. I see collections without any cartridges, which scares me. Just those ancient vintage DVDs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefaultGen | 5,326 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 Not that people have to collect old stuff, but not long ago I couldn't imagine a collection that didn't have so much as a Mario Duck Hunt or Combat cart kicking around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloves | 11,683 Administrator · Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 15 minutes ago, DefaultGen said: Not that people have to collect old stuff, but not long ago I couldn't imagine a collection that didn't have so much as a Mario Duck Hunt or Combat cart kicking around. Ew, PAL. Gross. 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a3quit4s | 4,033 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 Yeah r/game collecting has become a lot of Xbox 360/PS2/PS3/DS/3DS plus a lot of people like did I get a good deal on this! Or showing off the 20 games they have. Lots of young kids I expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabonga | 2,289 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, Gloves said: Ew, PAL. Gross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloves | 11,683 Administrator · Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 Similarly, unfortunately, in the crt subs its a lot of "is this tv I picked out of the garbage worth anything?". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
360collector | 289 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 Its the same in every collecting hobby im into now. Over the last few years its become a lot harder to collect games, vinyl, coins and watches. Its all driven by people who see it as an investment not a hobby. They are into it for the money and thats it. Its all about flipping and screwing over the next guy. People are looking for thge easy way out, a fast profit. The amount of reseller channels on youtube is insane and its only getting worse. Pokemon cards have gone crazy too. If your starting out today just collect the current gens atleast you can have fun and find uncommon stuff for 20 bucks and enjoy it 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanooki | 4,925 Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 Yup hateful to the core, unless you can find someone more old school who isn't drunk on their own greed, avarice, and farts. I'm repulsed by it enough now I've been putting some like 30-50% off prices from the shit online selling it or trading it locally. Some of it is low enough I found a store in town about a week ago that will pay 50-60% of the fucked up online prices so if I keep getting facebook illiterates and trolls I'm going to take my shit in there because they give cash same as trade. I refreshed my ads this morning, even made it clear on the two high dollar(to me) items (solder fixed virtual boy and CIB near minty original DMG gameboy) I put up will get what I ask, no price cuts, or it goes to the shop and they can buy it from them for 100-200+ more and tax. I'm over it, dropped the gauntlet basically. Other than buying for myself for stuff I will play, largely locally, and mostly for SNES/Genesis at this rate -- I'm beyond caring much anymore. I've been dumping games, consoles, handheld, vintage toys, the works. Let the vipers poison themselves to death, it'll implode and I can laugh at them later. To me it was always about the fun, the escape, doing something enjoyable to get away from the bad stuff... the bad stuff has largely ruined this so I have no pity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonanza125 | 55 Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 I've seen the demand for retro cart only/complete games drop significantly over the years. Back 10 years ago people were buying those up for there collection. I think now like someone else said people are more into the modern stuff. People who have grown up on retro games pretty much have everything they want as far as a collection and again like some have said there is more people looking to make profit instead of collect. Eventually that bubble will burst and you will find that those people will have all this inventory on hand and not much of a demand for it unless its discounted out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanooki | 4,925 Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 And when that lovely reality check settles in, I'll be after those specific SNES games, NES, Genesis, Gameboy family that are so toxic to handle right now. I'll be laughing on the inside too because they'll have lost their collective asses trying to rip us very few people around here off and those trying to me too into it too. It's a shame, but deserved, long over due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed Rothchild | 9,399 Editorials Team · Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed Rothchild | 9,399 Editorials Team · Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 Here's my SNES subreddit. I can tell you for a fact that the sealed/WATA/speculating discussion is nearly non-existent. Draw your own conclusions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanooki | 4,925 Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 What's your reddit for snes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloves | 11,683 Administrator · Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 9 minutes ago, Tanooki said: What's your reddit for snes? It's /r/snes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a3quit4s | 4,033 Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 I was going to make a joke about Reddit mods and their preferences but am refraining because it’s 2022 and we are all so damn touchy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenpp72 | 1,221 Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, Bonanza125 said: I've seen the demand for retro cart only/complete games drop significantly over the years. Back 10 years ago people were buying those up for there collection. I think now like someone else said people are more into the modern stuff. People who have grown up on retro games pretty much have everything they want as far as a collection and again like some have said there is more people looking to make profit instead of collect. Eventually that bubble will burst and you will find that those people will have all this inventory on hand and not much of a demand for it unless its discounted out. This has certainly not been my experience with anything in decent shape, the prices have never been higher and the amount of inventory to find is crippling. The reality is many games exist that didn't circulate much and they likely will forever be impacted unless everyone who cares dies, it will vary based on the time and age of course, just, something like The Krion Conquest is likely never going to be inexpensive to find in reasonable shape because of the Mega Man like intrigue mixed with its obscurity. I'd definitely need to see graphs of the downtrend because I've not stopped in 14 years and am trying to get out ASAP due to price fatigue. While there may not be as many people chasing them, the amount of remaining inventory is also very low, this becoming a different trend might take 10-20 years and most of us aren't willing to 'hold out' that long. At most I've noted some systems have 'leveled off' or rather, some games hit their ceiling and aren't changing much, so your Little Samsons or Haganes might not be increasing in value because they are already obscene, but there are other future games that will likely reach ridiculous territory as soon as the variables align, which is kind of always how it's been. How many games have increased drastically only to trend down a lot that weren't based on some kind of relevant boom, such as Pokemon Go or a recent media release that might pique interest? Edited May 22, 2022 by goldenpp72 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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