RH 4,545 Member · Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Ok, we're all aware that Wata has problems and one of them is with damaging games. Hypothetically, if one could present legitimate evidence that the game you submitted was not the one you sent in, what could you/should you do about it. And this is a serious question. I will not answer speculative questions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulpa 3,268 Member · Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 It's either fraud or theft, so the attorney general's office of either your state or the state Wata is incorporated in should be alerted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH 4,545 Member · Posted March 3, 2022 Author Share Posted March 3, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Tulpa said: It's either fraud or theft, so the attorney general's office of either your state or the state Wata is incorporated in should be alerted. I have no clue how to properly do that. Should... that person contact a lawyer? In this specific case, the game might not be worth much of a fight, but it could be an obvious symptom of a bigger problem. Edited March 3, 2022 by RH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulpa 3,268 Member · Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 (edited) You can contact a lawyer if you want to pursue a civil case, though the cost of the game may or may not be worth it. Anyone can contact the AG office regarding a potential criminal case if you have legitimate evidence. I mean, if they're swapping games out and sending back something other than what was originally sent, and grading them different than what it might have been if graded legitimately, that's a crime. Wata was originally headquartered in Denver, Colorado, and might still be incorporated there, but their office is now in Santa Ana, California. I don't know which AG office would have jurisdiction, but either one would probably know. It doesn't cost anything to contact them and ask what they can do about it. California attorney general: https://oag.ca.gov/ Colorado attorney general: https://coag.gov/ Edited March 3, 2022 by Tulpa 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefaultGen 5,119 Member · Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Wata has mixed up games in returns before, so it doesn't have to be a hypothetical. I've seen them offer to buy messed up games for "market" price or source new things for people. It looks like in this case they swapped them back per the top comment (the other guy in the mix up) You guys are lawyering up did you like... contact Wata? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK 248 Member · Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Just now, DefaultGen said: You guys are lawyering up did you like... contact Wata? That's the first step I would take too. Provide them with the evidence (presumably a photo of what was sent vs. what was received). If it was a mistake they will make some sort of attempt to rectify it. If your evidence is good then they have no reason not to do something, they don't need any more bad press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulpa 3,268 Member · Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Yeah, I should preface this by asking if you contacted them first to find out what's up. Was it just a mistake, or is there some malicious attempt to switch games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH 4,545 Member · Posted March 3, 2022 Author Share Posted March 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, DefaultGen said: Wata has mixed up games in returns before, so it doesn't have to be a hypothetical. I've seen them offer to buy messed up games for "market" price or source new things for people. It looks like in this case they swapped them back per the top comment (the other guy in the mix up) You guys are lawyering up did you like... contact Wata? "Did I contact Wata"? No... at this point there is no need. But there might be at some point. "Mistakes" can certainly happen, I suppose. No. Actually, no they shouldn't. I get it that they may be doing a service that at most is worth a couple hundred bucks (not counting their bogus insurance) but when you handle peoples high-dollar items. You should have significant checks in place to NEVER swap out goods. Ever. Period. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH 4,545 Member · Posted March 3, 2022 Author Share Posted March 3, 2022 1 minute ago, Tulpa said: Yeah, I should preface this by asking if you contacted them first to find out what's up. Was it just a mistake, or is there some malicious attempt to switch games? They wouldn't admit to it being malicious. Instead, you might want to look at if one of their investors "happened" to have your game you submitted, vs. the one you received and, oh, they "happened" to also post it to Heritage before your's was even returned. Hypothetically. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK 248 Member · Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, RH said: They wouldn't admit to it being malicious. Instead, you might want to look at if one of their investors "happened" to have your game you submitted, vs. the one you received and, oh, they "happened" to also post it to Heritage before your's was even returned. Hypothetically. If you have solid proof of them swapping out a game and then them selling it on Heritage before yours was even returned then that is a worse story than the one Jobst made that video about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH 4,545 Member · Posted March 3, 2022 Author Share Posted March 3, 2022 1 minute ago, DK said: If you have solid proof of them swapping out a game and then them selling it on Heritage before yours was even returned then that is a worse story than the one Jobst made that video about. I agree and remarkable claims require remarkable evidence. I'm not sure I have that, but I might. I'm asking around and trying to gather some facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulpa 3,268 Member · Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 11 minutes ago, RH said: They wouldn't admit to it being malicious. Instead, you might want to look at if one of their investors "happened" to have your game you submitted, vs. the one you received and, oh, they "happened" to also post it to Heritage before your's was even returned. Hypothetically. If it's happening the way you're saying, you can approach an attorney general (your state and their state would probably take an interest) and let them look at the evidence and see if there's something there. Even if it's not enough to build a case right then and there, they'd at least be on the radar. As long as you're bringing it to them in good faith and have reasonable suspicion a crime has been committed, there's no downside. If it's just innocent mistakes, then the AG will determine it and hopefully that'll clue Wata in to improving their service. If they're doing it maliciously, and the AG can prove it, then they get what they get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodysGameRoom 2,007 Member · Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Pac 7,064 Graphics Team · Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 (I know it's not the same thing. Just jokin' around... calm down.) -CasualCart 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH 4,545 Member · Posted March 3, 2022 Author Share Posted March 3, 2022 1 minute ago, CasualCart said: (I know it's not the same thing. Just jokin' around... calm down.) -CasualCart I can't be mad! This is my first post that got a classic, Casual Cart response with an OG graphic! 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodysGameRoom 2,007 Member · Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 This topic is absurd, to suggest that WATA engages in anything but the most ethical business practices is unimaginable! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH 4,545 Member · Posted March 3, 2022 Author Share Posted March 3, 2022 Ok, thanks guys. If real evidence is found, contact the AG. @Gloves or any other mod, feel free to lock this topic. I'm not looking to stir up a bunch of Wata hate. There's enough of that. And, to be honest, I probably don't have enough proof for anything but I am trying to do my due diligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloves 11,179 Administrator · Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Locked. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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